A few months ago I had a conversation around race and religion with Dr Krista Cooper, Civilla Morgan, podcaster at Childless Not By Choice, and Haneefah Muhammad which I then extended to Ruth Levy Abramson.

I connected with Ruth Levy Abramson recently after reading her article for World Childless week. Her article, Dear Rabbi’s (and other well-meaning religious Jews): Please Stop with the Miracle Baby Stories. They’re not Helping. Thanks, really spoke to me as a black woman and I could see our shared experiences with religion through her words. So I reached out to Ruth who agreed to have a conversation with me about her experience as a childless Jewish woman. Through her writing I could feel Ruth’s hurt and frustrations, some of which I share, and wanted to know what inspired her to write the article as well as what she has learnt on her childless journey. I won’t say anymore here as it’s all in our conversation but I wanted to just leave you these words from Ruth …. “if we change the language we can have a different conversation”….

So here is our ‘different’ conversation… click here to listen